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In this episode of London Real, host Brian Rose sits down with author and ethnopharmacologist Dennis McKenna to talk about his book, The Brotherhood Of The Screaming Abyss, which chronicles his time spent with his brother, Terence. In their discussion, Dennis speaks about the “Heroic Dose,” as well as the misconceptions that people have about psilocybin, his time spent with Terence at La Chorrera, Panama, plunging into the abyss, the importance of set/setting/intention, C.G. Jung’s Psychology and Alchemy, and more. Check out a small segment from their talk in the video below and hear the full discussion by visiting